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Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:25:00 - [1] Quote: on recent allegations reported by CCP t20 \| 2007.02.09 15:50:42 \| NEW \| Comments As you might have read and heard, there were recently some allegations posted regarding developer misconduct that basically come down to: Developers helping (an) alliance(s) gain information they otherwise would not have. Developers having an unfair advantage of game mechanics. Developers helping themselves acquire goods in-game by means of in-house tools, otherwise not available to regular players. All allegations mentioned above are untrue, except one. Sadly enough, the allegation regarding unlawfully obtained blueprints are, in my case, true. IÆm here, laying out the facts of what happened in June 2006 so this whole issue -- which jeopardized my colleagues, my company and our community -- can be put behind us, I hope for the better. The blueprints in question will be returned to CCP and reintroduced through a new raffle in the future. Specifically, these are: Flameburst Precision Light Missile Blueprint Phalanx Rage Rocket Blueprint Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Blueprint Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Blueprint Spike L Blueprint Sabre Blueprint Oh FFS let it die.. So t20 gave himself some T2 *MISSILE* bpos.. Was it fair? Not really.. Was it a gamebreaker for the rest of EvE? Hardly.. Name one alliance or corp.. ONE.. that suffered from this 'horrible' abuse of power.. Like some missiles will change the fukin map.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:32:00 - [2] Thats because people are starting to realize that this whole affair is a non-event.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:38:00 - [3] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 10/02/2007 05:35:02 Originally by: Dagrin RDM ...or they're going to sleep..it's getting late in a lot of places. Hehe.. Too true.. But seriously how much territory was lost due to the T2 missiles that were given out? Oh right.. none.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:39:00 - [4] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 10/02/2007 05:35:56 Originally by: Tarri Subscription Status:Active Cancellation Pending Can I have your stuff? Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:44:00 - [5] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 10/02/2007 05:40:55 Originally by: Tarri You are not funny, coward alt from Imperial Academy.... Plz quit eve so the rest of us can get on with the GAME.. And if t20 had not had access to the t2 missile bpos you think they would not have had access to t2 missles or even afford them? Like I said its a non-event.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 05:50:00 - [6] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 10/02/2007 05:47:51 Originally by: Caligulus If a dev wants to play on tranq they should be tagged as a developer. End of story. There will now and forever be an inherit mistrust of any and every developer in this game. So how is it that T20 managed to retain his job in spite of the CEO of ccp stating that abuse of power is grounds for non-negotiable termination? More lies? From the top?! You expect us to believe anything you guys say? T20 should be terminated. T20 ruined my respect for all of you guys. EvE will never live this down. Ever... I'd amend that to say that they can join a player corp and alliance but they should not use their dev powers to any gain.. That being siad if t20 had fiven out rattlesnakes to all the copp then i might have some issues.. But AMMO FFS.. how the hell does that cause an alliance imbalance other than they save a few iskies in the deal? Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:04:00 - [7] Originally by: Rodney Caston Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus And if t20 had not had access to the t2 missile bpos you think they would not have had access to t2 missles or even afford them? Like I said its a non-event.. So it's ok to steal if you are rich enough to pay for it anyways? Were you on the Winona Ryder jury? Am I saying its right what he did? of course not.. But step back a few feet and look at what was done.. Missiles.. Thats all.. Now I'm sure your all thinking what else was done by t20 but i'm fairly certain it was just the missiles.. I mean really how much of an advantage does some T2 missiles give anyone? No doubt t20 thought the same thing.. What harm could come from spawning some T2 missile bpos.. You still have to have a clue about warfare to use them to gain territory and last itme I checked T2 missiles were availible in every region in an excess of stock.. This whole ordeal is just a 'flame CCP for cheating' and rightly so I guess but after you take all the consequenses into your head you should realize its a NON-EVENT.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:11:00 - [8] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Am I saying its right what he did? of course not.. But step back a few feet and look at what was done.. Missiles.. Thats all.. Now I'm sure your all thinking what else was done by t20 but i'm fairly certain it was just the missiles.. I mean really how much of an advantage does some T2 missiles give anyone? No doubt t20 thought the same thing.. What harm could come from spawning some T2 missile bpos.. You still have to have a clue about warfare to use them to gain territory and last itme I checked T2 missiles were availible in every region in an excess of stock.. This whole ordeal is just a 'flame CCP for cheating' and rightly so I guess but after you take all the consequenses into your head you should realize its a NON-EVENT.. From t20's blog: Quote: # Spike L Blueprint # Sabre Blueprint OMG! He had some gate camping T2 sniper ammo too!!!!!!!!! Your right.. He gave an unfair advantage to his alliance.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:20:00 - [9] Ahh well thats a bit different I guess but still Dictors are in every region to buy for all.. Its a case of the UN calling out some third world country for buying some AK-47's on the black market when they are already spread across the whole world.. It just done for the flashy headlines.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Gyny Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus OMG! He had some gate camping T2 sniper ammo too!!!!!!!!! Your right.. He gave an unfair advantage to his alliance.. You're tap dancing down jack-ass ally; The T2 Sabre BPO is a SHIP, not Ammo ... you know, the big metal things that fly thru space? They normally have lights on them, and some look like a giant tylenol. K.. How about we ban all Logoffskies? Oh Wait.. O.0 would be empty.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )

Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Pravest Dall Once again certain alliances are using this NON-EVENT to further their own little ingame agendas QFT.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:37:00 - [12] Really if you take all the territory gained by t20's actions you might have enough to seed a chia pet.. Well.. Maybe half of one.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:51:00 - [13] I'll tell you one thing.. WoW would never have this much Psychological Warfare and Opportunistic Dis-Information mongering going on.. Maybe having some of the best and brightest in your game isn't the optimal playerbase after all.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 06:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus But AMMO FFS.. how the hell does that cause an alliance imbalance other than they save a few iskies in the deal? People are not upset about the BPOs, but the fact that they were provided, that cheating has occured and there are a lot of other accusations of other misconduct, uneven application of the EULA, abuse of privilages, etc. Ammo BPOs, titan, 1 isk - who cares what, it is the why, the who and the how that has people honked off. Attempts to beguile people away from their morals with FUD does you no service. Absolutely.. But on another note how many BoB haters are in this thread right now just slavering at the chops to get any dig they can in? Psychological Warfare FTW.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:04:00 - [15] Your point? Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Noreen Their method of doing it as they do currently has lead to a 41 page thread of discontent among customers within 7 hours. If they do not take action now, you will find yourself lonely at the next EvE festival. And in less than a week or two noone will even care about this event as no territory or any substancial alliance gain or loss came from it.. Its just the 'common people' haveing a good time lording over ONE of the 'royaltys' trangressions.. Meh.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Nez Perces QFT my god... I had no idea but if you do indeed google this issue, like the poster said it is all over the place.... practically every major mmorg website has a story running on this issue. The damage being done to CCP's future revenue must be incalculable. CCP must take a much more hardline stance so that this does not ruin the game long term.... another 10 years of EVE .. if BoB remain at the top of the food chain in their current state with all these allegations hanging over their heads?... you must be joking. BoB as an entity needs to cease to exist. Its that simple. Like any good news rag all the mmo sites will jump on this like starving jackels.. And as far as CCP's future income.. ROFL..Do you really think that the majority of the mmo playerbase (eve included) even has a clue about what is right and wrong in a business sense? All they will see is some dev gave himself an advantage and then promptly forget it as they buy some gold from the chinese farmers.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:29:00 - [18] Originally by: Ramblin Man Oh, and scratch-and-opinion alt Dred'Pirate Jesus 4tw! \o/ I only speak the truth.. P.S. I'm no alt.. None of my characters are in any player corp or ever will be.. :-P Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 07:49:00 - [19] JohnStar.. Master of the Obtuse and the Blessed Rabble Rabble.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:16:00 - [20] Nice post Sanka.. I'd just add the fact that every CEO in the game would have done the same thing for thier own corp if the chance had arisen.. TBH I'm suprised at all the rancor over some t2 ammo and a dictor bpo that were already available in mass quantitys in the market as the lies treachery subterfuge and unfair play that is a hallmark of 0.0 politics are what makes the game so good.. Thats like **** being fussy over the Gestapos bully tactics after he told them to be that way.. Revelations..** The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )

Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:26:00 - [21] Why would anyone want to leave the game over this pumpkin? If all t20 did was spawn a few t2 ammo bpos and a dictor bpo how in the world did that mess up eve? Now if he had started spawning titans and motherships and boosting his alliance mates sp totals then ya I'd be with you on this.. But FFS its just some damn ammo.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:31:00 - [22] No.. because according to the masses you'll win eve if you have them.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Dravin Dread Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus No.. because according to the masses you'll win eve if you have them.. Please stop repeating the same lame argument over and over. It's not about some stupid BPO, it about cheating. I'll repeat it as much as needed to get the point across.. He spawned some freakin t2 ammo bpos and a dictor bpo.. Is it cheating? yes.. Is it some horrible exploit that has bob taking over every freakin system on the map? FFS NO! He did it for personal gain and fame not to give bob some unfair advantage.. Go whine in a logoffski thread if you really want to contribute to eve cheater crushing.. Your all just **ed he got to do it and you didnt.. Leave the goddaamm man alone.. I'm sure he will be sutably punished.. Revelations..** The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 08:56:00 - [24] The replies in this thread are like some demented mix of myspace and a gaggle of paranoid executives.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:18:00 - [25] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 10/02/2007 09:16:15 Originally by: Spinnukur Doesn't matter, its a game that people pay for, in which CCP provides a service to the public, as such is responsible for answering up for 'inappropriate' actions that its employees may have caused, that its customers demand answers for. *Guess you missed all the stickys with official responces then..* It disgusts me that we even have to take it this far, he should have have terminated according to CCP's 'so called' rules So you want CCP to fire a productive and loyal employee because he cheated at the game in a way that minimized the ingame economic impact and was really only a convinence to him and his close alliance mates and not a war winning exploit for BoB? Sheese I'd hate to work for you.. and its EVEN more DISGUSTING that CCP banned the whistleblower, I haven't learned all of the clauses of International Yet, but the little that I do know is that CCP can be held liable for termination of that player whoever he was. Retaliation of whistleblowers is not tolerated at all. CCP may be an Iceland company, but they operate and have 'licenses' all over the world and as such are brought under the laws and regulations of such countries. I wonder if CCP's litigation department is 'high' on caffeine trying to figure out this mess and what to do next... *Let that be a lesson to finks everywere.. If your gonna squeal at least do it for something thats worth the effort and gives you some leverage..* Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 09:53:00 - [26] Originally by: Dekiri You can just check the web for that information, if you are to lazy to obtain that information there is no place for you in this discussion i believe. Have a nice day. Why should I browse the web for secondhand and most likely pure speculative info when I can get the real stuff right here? Or is there no real stuff? Just a brief list of all the things that the devs are doing to make bob uber is all im after.. Is that to much to ask for? And thank you for the nice day! I hope yours is too.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Gyrn Fzirth you obviously haven't been paying attention. He's also given over a malediction (interceptor) and sabre (interdictor) - both tech _2_ blueprints not available on any market for any price - to bob after he was outed. Not only that, CCP KNEW and still didn't recover the bpos or rectify the situation in any other manner than a slap on the wrist "bad boy you dev. Now I have to rename^Wdelete your accout." Irrelevant as they are not in BoBs hands anymore.. And in the big picture of massive alliance warfare the extra income from the bpos would be a grain of sand in a desert.. So while it profited him and maybe a few unknowing corp mates it had negligeble effect on the course of BoBs wars.. Quote: The point is he was in a position of power - ULTIMATE power - in the game and used it to benefit a very limited, select few to the absolute detriment of others. Those "insignificant" bpos would've brought anyone multiple 10s of billions of isk - not chump change - to other organizations and players. And this is just the cheating we KNOW about. How much other behind the scenes back scratching has been going on for YEARS now? Extra officer spawns here and there, the odd cyno alt being transported to a key cyno waypoint? All those node crashes people chalked up to incredibly bad luck? God only knows what else. Pure unbridled paranoia.. Take some lithium and chill.. Quote: As you are obviously a bob alt, its understandable you'd take this position. Self preservation and all that. Actually I'm Santa Claus.. Oh Don't believe that? Then any other names are pointless to give.. Quote: The trust between CCP and the honest players has been broken by CCP itself by its inexplicable avoidance of appropriate action. There are things that can be done: 1) Axe t20 along with any other CCP collaborators, period. Per CCPs own rules this should be the first step - cut out the cancer. 2) remove - DISSOLVE the t2 bpos that were associated with t20, whether they were legitimate or not they are now tainted by mistrust. Reseed them in the lottery. 3) remove all other spawned or manipulated items, isk and objects that came across any of the tainted gms' hands 4) top to bottom audit of everything done by any CCP employee on any of their accounts on tranq. Mete out proper punishment. 5) Ban those that egregiously violated the eula - buying/selling accounts/isk/items for real life cash?? 6) Either unban Kugutsumen's accounts or ban molle - make it equal 6) MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL Full disclosure. We, the paying (for now) eve public demand to know all that transpired in these events and any others related and tainted by these act You must work for the IRS or a tax law firm.. Tell us plz.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:11:00 - [28] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 10/02/2007 11:08:07 Originally by: Comstr I trust CCP can see how serious the playerbase takes this. More serious than CCP does it seems. What playerbase? Dont you mean forumites? There is like maybe 40 unique posters in this whole thread out of a population of 180,000.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 20:04:00 - [29] What? only 10 more pages after I slept all night? You tin foil hat guys are slackers.. Or are getting tired of spouting the same paranoid delusions over and over.. Hmm.. Lets check TQ.. Oh dear.. 30000 online right this minute.. Guess the majority of eve players didnt quit after all.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 20:13:00 - [30] Originally by: Brunn although 60 pages in so little time is good to see that so many ppl are worried about the subject, this thread is getting to big for the devs actualy adress all that has been posted here. What i would realy liked to see is any official answer from CCP who havent said anything for 18h. 60 pages of the same 40 people in it including me.. Ya thats a huge slice of the playerbase.. Or do you guys assume you speak for the entier playerbase? Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )

Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 20:15:00 - [31] Originally by: Kerushi accounts have play time as u don`t pay per minute, but as an alt user, that`s way out of ur league as u need atleast 1 IQ to understand Actually I'm enjoying the psychological study aspect of it.. This is a rare opportunity to get this many paranoid people in the same place at once and observe symtoms and conditions.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 20:18:00 - [32] Originally by: aggro CCP get you act togeather and fast before this great game goes down the plughole. This has GOT to be the most repeated phrase in all the history of the eve forums.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 20:33:00 - [33] Ok I see the paranoia train is on the tracks again and its only getting more interesting.. Guess I'll just kick back and observe until this is all forgotten in short order.. As things like this always are.. But plz continue posting your opinions though so I can get a larger profile sample.. Enjoy the Conspiracy of the Month and keep a roll of reynolds wrap handy.. \o Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.10 20:48:00 - [34] I lied.. one more post.. Originally by: Soon Tzu hey mom, look at the troll! Says Soon Tzu as he tightens his grip on mummys hand in front of the carnival mirror.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:22:00 - [35] From a general discussion thread.. Originally by: Ben Deadwood Originally by: Deepspace Wanderer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..sweep...sweep...I'm sure no-one will see it under this carpet here.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, a 56 page thread in the very first section of the forum is sweeping it under the carpet. You think people are so blind as to not see what you are doing? Political metagaming disguised as moral outrage, you're all essentially brushing the peices off the chessboard cause your losing. BoB must truly be the best alliance if the only way you people think you can beat them is by trying to strongarm CCP into overreacting and punishing a whole alliance for the actions of one person. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.11 02:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Galea Wildfang You spineless alt can just stop here. People state their feelings, concerns and believes in this thread, most of them once, a few of them a little more often. And whatever you say (if anything at all) will not change that. So STFU. Too bad this thread is not located in the sell forum, else you'd receive a warning for each bump after the first (per day that is). So I guess I'm not entitled to state my own opinions if they disagree with yours? So whos the one wanting to restrict discussion and silence anyone who disagrees with them? I like this 'debate'.. Its really been an enlightening read so far on the lengths some people will go.. And I'm directing that comment at all sides not just the ones who think CCP and BoB are in bed toghether and haxoring thier way to glory.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.11 02:54:00 - [37] Originally by: Dollar49er Tell em what u think -- i want you to == ya or nay let em have it. My stance all along but it seems if your not in agreement with the people who are taking this issue to heart then your branded a bob/dev alt.. Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.11 07:20:00 - [38] Originally by: Gaius Octavius I was a serious hardcore EVE player since 1994, Whoa! Youve been playing eve since before they started coding it! How many SP do you have? Revelations.. The **znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p )
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.11 07:27:00 - [39] So much angst directed at me in this thread.. And I haven't even talked down to one person in the whole thing.. Just stating my opinions like everyone else.. And sorry if you took that as a jibe.. was simply menat as a joke.. guess without the smiley at the end or [sarcasm] tags some people just always take it the wrong way.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.11 07:45:00 - [40] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 11/02/2007 07:42:09 Originally by: umop 3pisdn Other than the guy who got the years mixed up... your constant pro BoB save teh devs banter is annoying and pointless. As is the constant 'we are losing the war so it must be the devs helping bob' logic.. Ever think it really was just t20 and thats it? I'm sure if this had happened to some other less prominate alliance it would have genereated a few snickers and thats about it.. But hey I can understand your guys paranoia.. All I'm saying is that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoevr for the Devs to knowingly help one player group over another.. After reading all 70ish pages I'm almost 100% certain that the loudest voices are the ones using meta politics to turn the tables on bob.. Kudos to you for using every advantage you can to win.. But.. if you cant understand a different point of view then maybe a "Public Discussion" forum is not your cup of tea.. Go find a private one to have one sided debates over something that effects everyone in eve.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?

Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.11 08:03:00 - [41] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 11/02/2007 07:49:39 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus As is the constant 'we are losing the war so it must be the devs helping bob' logic.. Ever think it really was just t20 and thats it? I'm sure if this had happened to some other less prominate alliance it would have genereated a few snickers and thats about it.. But hey I can understand your guys paranoia.. All I'm saying is that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoevr for the Devs to knowingly help one player group over another.. After reading all 70ish pages I'm almost 100% certain that the loudest voices are the ones using meta politics to turn the tables on bob.. Kudos to you for using every advantage you can to win.. But.. if you cant understand a different point of view then maybe a "Public Discussion" forum is not your cup of tea.. Go find a private one to have one sided debates over something that effects everyone in eve.. Its debatable how much help t20 was in the end, however the fact remains that BoB was playing the last 8 months with help from t20, at least in the form of t2 BPOs and possible other things as well. No one knows how things would have turned out without his assistance. I'd agree that it doesn't make much sense for the Devs to help one group over another, but that is EXACTLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED here for reasons that only t20 and the other Devs know... and unfortunately they don't seem to be very willing to tell us. Fair enough.. But with the facts so far all it looks like is that one dev(singular) was a bit naughty by spawning some valuable but hardly war winning items for what im assuming was convienience as all the said items that were produced were already available in as much quantity as they could want in the market.. So lets wait until monday so that CCP can both spend some time with their familys and have at least a bit of time to figure out WTF happened and give a reasoned and competantly investigated responce.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.11 08:09:00 - [42] Originally by: MrDisposable Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 11/02/2007 07:42:09 Originally by: umop 3pisdn Other than the guy who got the years mixed up... your constant pro BoB save teh devs banter is annoying and pointless. As is the constant 'we are losing the war so it must be the devs helping bob' logic.. Ever think it really was just t20 and thats it? I'm sure if this had happened to some other less prominate alliance it would have genereated a few snickers and thats about it.. But hey I can understand your guys paranoia.. All I'm saying is that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoevr for the Devs to knowingly help one player group over another.. After reading all 70ish pages I'm almost 100% certain that the loudest voices are the ones using meta politics to turn the tables on bob.. Kudos to you for using every advantage you can to win.. But.. if you cant understand a different point of view then maybe a "Public Discussion" forum is not your cup of tea.. Go find a private one to have one sided debates over something that effects everyone in eve.. Why would someone help out a bunch of friends? Yeah it makes no sense at all that anyone would do that eh? Instead of your thought process working like this: Read->denial mode->response Try this Read->think->respond. You are only making yourself look worse. Because if the devs really did help bob in this war and were caught doing it then the amusing side show thread we have now would be something much much uglier with real potential to damage subscriptions and future player recruitment.. Again I applaud you guys for fully taking advantage of the sutuation and opening a public front to the bob vs eve war but in the end its just another front to a bitter and hard fought war.. as time will no doubt tell.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.02.11 08:51:00 - [43] Originally by: MrDisposable Did you see me mention BoB? I didn't, I mentioned friends. This thread is about a dev helping one isolated corp in the bob alliance.. ergo I assumed you meant bob.. Quote: This is not a sideshow. It is a serious issue and has the very real potential of costing subs here. That is one of the reasons why this thread is tucked away in this small corner of the forums. It takes 3 clicks to get to this topic and every one is at or very near the top.. eveo.com-forums-eveinfoportal-sticky #2.. This is the best thing to happen to these forums in ages as there is no such thing in the entertainment business as bad publicty.. So my opinion stands.. Its a side show attraction.. Quote: This is really simple to anyone who looks at it objectively. We have two sources of information. One has been proven untrustworthy, by admission of their own of wrongdoing and by extension mis-leading us. The other while a less savory character has a perfect track record. He did not lie about the Goons and there is no evidence that he is lying here. That would mean that T20 is a non-credible witness while Kug is credible. Lets wait until we get more info before making statements of like these.. I'm just as curious as you to see if any other wrongdoing was perpetrated.. Personally I think if any new info is released it will be on monday.. So save the premature conclusions until then.. Quote: You are a BoB alt. It is painfully obvious by the way everything anyone says at this point is about BoB... which is classic BoB behaviour We will never realy know will we.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.11 20:46:00 - [44] Originally by: Athelas Loraiel Edited by: Athelas Loraiel on 11/02/2007 20:20:50 can Kieron reply Why did bob in delve get so many mmore plexes then the others? (plexes that are good, 6/10 and better) Because they took over and now control that territory? Afaik each region of 0.0 have certain resorces others do not have to one degree or another so it encourages exspansion of territory.. Or are you implying they were spawned there after BoB was in control? Want to run them? Take 'em back.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 05:18:00 - [45] If t20 is fired and SirMolle banned then I want CCP to search every database they have for evidence of logoffski abuse and then destroy all isk and material gains made on that character from the date that it first happened.. If the Dev cheating is to be re-punished then all the hoards of the crtl-q abusers should fare a similar fate yes? God knows that has an everyday and constant unbalancing effect on the fairness of playing eve unlike the ONE incident from a YEAR ago of a Dev abusing his powers that as most have admited now had an insignificant effective impact on BoB's parade of victory since then.. So if we throw one to the fire by God lets do em all.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 05:36:00 - [46] Originally by: MrDisposable Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 05:19:05 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus If t20 is fired and SirMolle banned then I want CCP to search every database they have for evidence of logoffski abuse and then destroy all isk and material gains made on that character from the date that it first happened.. If the Dev cheating is to be re-punished then all the hoards of the crtl-q abusers should fare a similar fate yes? God knows that has an everyday and constant unbalancing effect on the fairness of playing eve unlike the ONE incident from a YEAR ago of a Dev abusing his powers that as most have admited now had an insignificant effective impact on BoB's parade of victory since then.. So if we throw one to the fire by God lets do em all.. Why do you keep coming back to this thread BoB alt? Sir Molle did the same EXACT thing as Kug, he broke the EULA. T20 did the same exact thing as that GM 7 months ago, he broke company policy. If you had even a small amount of sense you would see these issues are black and white. Ctrl+Q has nothing to do with this thread and while it is despisable, is probally the most idiotic subject to bring in as some half-witted defense. Everyone reading your post is probally amazed at it.. I know I am. So your saying that ctrl-q abuse (re:cheating on a *MASSIVE* scale by the playerbase) is not something that is a valid subject in a thread about cheating? Amazing indeed.. So whats your agenda again "Mr. Victim of BoB" alt who is using every trick and ruse at his disposal to make a year old incident with little to no impact on the game as a whole into a meta politcal shenanigan? or are you afraid of getting your stuff zapped in an investigation? So who do you represent Mr."Disposible"? Whos alt are you? I know I represent EvE the game.. Not some narrow special interest group looking for political advantage.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 05:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 12/02/2007 05:25:41 Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus If t20 is fired and SirMolle banned then I want CCP to search every database they have for evidence of logoffski abuse and then destroy all isk and material gains made on that character from the date that it first happened.. If the Dev cheating is to be re-punished then all the hoards of the crtl-q abusers should fare a similar fate yes? God knows that has an everyday and constant unbalancing effect on the fairness of playing eve unlike the ONE incident from a YEAR ago of a Dev abusing his powers that as most have admited now had an insignificant effective impact on BoB's parade of victory since then.. So if we throw one to the fire by God lets do em all.. As much as I hate it, the logoffski maneuver is not a breach of the EULA, so why would anyone get punished for it? When used in a bubblecamp to escape being killed its an exploit.. one that can be proven through the logs but as all of eve is doing it its not practical to enforce.. Cant ban a quarter of the playerbase can we.. All I brought that up for was to bring a little levety into the discussion is all.. To remind some of our more rabid posters out for dev/bob blood that the t20 infraction is just one more part of eve that isn't roses and sunshine and perfect.. And maybe to remind some of those who are baying for blood that they may be a bit guilty of exploits themselves.. Can't call the kettle black if your a skillet ya know.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 05:57:00 - [48] Wow.. So many things to reply to.. Gimmie a min.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 06:02:00 - [49] Originally by: Fuujin Take the logoffski garbage somewhere else, this isn't the thread for it. Actually your correct.. I was only using it as one example of all the other forms of cheating in eve that noone ever gets called out on.. Not to start a logoffski disscussion.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 06:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus ...bla blah... to make a year old incident with little to no impact on the game ...blah blah Dude, if I had won that BPO one year ago, I can assure you it would have made a HUGE impact for ->me<-. For you as an individual: yes.. For t20 as an individual: yes.. For BoB as a whole and its effect on their Military achivements: insignificant to nil.. The bpos will be reseeded and youll have your insignificant (this is not sarcasm or a flame its simply the truth) chance to get it.. t20's possesion of it had an insignificant effect on eve as a whole as all the items he made with said bpos were already available in the markets for all to buy in more than sufficient quantitys.. So ya little to no impact on the game.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?

Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 06:57:00 - [51] Originally by: MrDisposable No Ctrl+q is not a valid subject in this thread about.... are you paying attention.... DEV MISCONDUCT I know this is difficult when your foaming at the mouth, troll but I want you to do something. Look at the title of the thread. What does it say? Now go back thru the other 96 pages.. anything about Ctrl+Q? Either you have ADHD or are doing what BoB always does... side tracks. This isn't about BoB. This thread is about T20 and his (Dred'edit.. pay close attention to this next word)------>CHEATING<-------. Oh.. so this thread is about cheating and its possible ramifications in the game and punishments for said actions? Dear me.. how did I miss that.. Quote: This is about the actions taken against him balanced by the actions taken against the spawning GM 7 motnhs ago. Since Kug has been a victim (willing) in all this and been banned, this brings up why Sir Molle should get equal treatment. I guess this thread is about equality. Well not to be to harsh but as far as t20 and the GM go thats internal CCP business and no business of yours or any subscriber to the game.. CPP has all the relavent info to make the descision to fire or discipline a member of its staff for an infraction and can be fined huge amounts of money if internal disciplinary action details are disclosed in public.. As far as the Kug vs Molle thing its pretty simple for me.. CCP has discretionary power in enforcing the EULA based on the severity of the infraction and the reputaion of said player.. Kug = known griefer hacker with no good intentions to eve and Molle = mostly good player who contributes to eve.. Kinda makes who to keep and who to boot kinda simple eh? Quote: Oh btw I have never fought against BoB, actually I have never even been on that side of 0.0 I do not have an agenda against BoB. I have one against uneven treatment. So if you are done being stupid I think we can continue in this thread about.... nm you probally stopped reading already. Yup and I believe that just like you do me.. See the irony? Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 07:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Booster Junkie Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus For BoB as a whole and its effect on their Military achivements: insignificant to nil.. t20's possesion of it had an insignificant effect on eve as a whole. So ya little to no impact on the game.. Proof or STFU. ^^ That has a whole new flavor to it now, but I kind of like how it tastes. ROFL.. hehe.. thats the rub mate.. noone here can get any valid proof at all that anyone will beleive.. Just the same ole retoric from all sides.. But hey it passes the time till the next skill change.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 07:35:00 - [53] Originally by: Fester Addams Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus stuff Odd, you do realise that you imply that a quarter of the playing devs create T2 prints for themselves, Im sure that is not your intention but thats what you are saying.. No you just implied it.. I said the playerbase not the devs.. Quote: I also spotted in your earlier thread that this was a year old issue, well I cant speak for anyone else but the first time I saw evidence that misconduct had taken place was just a few days ago, I had heard rumors but would not, could not belive that a dev would cheat and give himself, his corp or his friends any unfair advantage especially as the CCP stated penalty for this is termination from the company. No matter what t20 did he was one(singular) dev and was found out and punished for it.. The severity of his discipline is CCP's matter not mine or yours.. Who gets fired and who gets unpaid time off or a pay cut or whatever they did to discpline t20 is also an internal matter as its a private company.. You are not required by law to give the same punishment for the same crime in any system of law.. Point is that we have no details about how the GM's interview over his infraction went and never will.. Maybe the GM had an attitude or completely lame excuse and was canned for it? Maybe t20 was testing out some private thoery and the bpos were part of that test and he convinced CCP its was not meant to be cheating and was for the good of the game as a whole and they agreed? Who knows.. and we never will.. Quote: Well now we have, from t20's own hands a confession that he did not only cheat to get some mundane items but T2 BPO's, nomatter what level T2 BPO's represent the pinnacle of what you can own in this game, only Titans and Motherships could be considered more impressive. For a player yes.. for a dev no.. hes playing the game to further the game.. Not like a subscruber who pays his monthty to grind his way to glory and have everyone admire his cunning and savvy.. If he spawned the items then more than likey there was a good dev related reason to do so that had something to do with his job as a dev.. maybe it was something he wanted to try but was turned down by higher ups? They did catch him and punish him you know.. nothing has been supressed that a company would normally make public.. any company.. Quote: stuff look earlier in the thread.. im just repeating what someone else said about it being a year ago.. Quote: Now quit posting before you really manage to get yourself permabanned, CCP will be needing your subscription money once this is over and done with Why would I be permabanned? Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 07:51:00 - [54] Originally by: Liquid Vision I doubt we ever get an answer. Pretty simple reason why too. The highest high ups at CCP are the ones involved. Just hear me out and try not to scream tin-foil hat before you read it. CCP was created, in part, by a LARGE group of people that played in the same guild over on Ultima Online. Supposedly they were a buncha pvp griefers and ruled with an iron-fist. Anyways. . .all those guys came over to CCP and MANY of them are on the dev team. So, you gotta buncha guys that played together in UO and then started their own game or started their own crew inside a game they were developing, whatever you wanna call it. Why is it such a leap of imagination to believe that these guys would want to play together again? Of COURSE they would. So, this idea that there are devs in EVERY alliance and blah blah blah is just as unfounded as the idea that ALL devs are in BOB. . .and I'd be willing to suggest that the latter is MUCH more plausible than the former. In fact, while it can't be "proven" of course. . .many folks in the know suspect that Oveur and kieron themselves play in BOB as well as Lemonde (who might not even be of voting age yet he's a dev. . .no offense Lemonde) So, this idea that T20 is the ONLY dev in BOB and the ONLY dev helping BOB is just as asinine as any wild-eyed conspiracy theory thrown out there. However, I'd argue that circumstances seem to point towards multiple high-ranking devs/employees being in BOB and giving them an unfair advantage. Of course we'll never know unless kugutsumen decides to hack CCP and expose their logs, because they sure as hell aren't gonna spill the beans. They had 6 months to place all the blame on T20 and be up-front with the community and instead they covered it up. Probably because the rest of them are just as guilty as T20. Well FFS.. finally a plausible conspiracy theory.. At least This one makes sense.. I applaud you Liquid.. But yeah your right.. We we will never know.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 07:59:00 - [55] Originally by: MrDisposable Edited by: MrDisposable on 12/02/2007 07:42:05 Wow dred... so now we should all be thanking T20 for giving T2 BPOs to BoB. My good god man do you even read the stuff you type? HE HIMSELF admitted it was wrong. CCP has stated before that any employee found to cheat will be canned. This inspires consumer confidence in their product. So far CCP has lied. So the possiblilty that he was doing it as an experiment for some idea he had for the game is not viable to you? That maybe when the final vote arrived over termination or internal discplinary action they felt that what he did was indeed not a cheat and actually served some purpose? So by your reckoning t20's sole reason was to get a huge e-peen with his bob mates and forward bobs cause then? Thats a huge conclusion with no hard info to back it up.. Quote: look earlier in the thread.. im just repeating what someone else said about it being a year ago.. So now you just believe everything anyone tells you. No research or investigation.. nada. Ok its all starting to make sense now. I'm doing just as much if not more research than you mate.. Its just fun making you work at things to discredit me with.. Funny when you find yourself dancing to anothers tune eh? Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:04:00 - [56] Originally by: Morgain dVher Jesus - Please come clean. Ok Ok.. I'm actually in the paid employ of star trek online to sow fear and distrust amongst the competing mmo's.. Wait till you see the Anarchy Online forums tommorow.. and if you believe any of that you'll probably take the majority of the responces in this thread that way too.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:09:00 - [57] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 12/02/2007 08:06:03 Originally by: Morgain dVher Maya is gone, Jesus is here. I'm human and need to sleep. Keep pressing people, even after those who started are banned. There's a problem here and ther will be no answers without pressure. Any corp that is attacked by BoB now must assume that its being attacked by CCP as well until proven otherwise. I hope I can comment tomorrow. If not, I'll start a blog and find a way to link players to it. Tinfoil hat on, logging off. Oh christ(!) man give it a break.. Its sunday FFS.. If after DT on monday there is no more official info then plz try to break the 400 page barrier.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:13:00 - [58] Originally by: MrDisposable I really don't need to discredit you, you are doing all the work for me. Check out the sig. Who do you think I got all the BS from? Errm.. from your posts and comments? Those are all your words not mine.. They might be loosly based on some things I said but the twist is all you baby.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:16:00 - [59] Originally by: MrDisposable Its monday 8:09 a.m. in iceland as of your posting. Is there anything you are ever right about? Well its still sunday were im at And everyone in iceland is just now trudging into the office to start the daily grind and try to put together a finalized responce.. think you would have it all ready at opening time on the first day after the weekend? Sheese impatient people.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:20:00 - [60] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 12/02/2007 08:16:17 Originally by: MrDisposable Who is dancing now? We both are with each other.. ain't it fun? Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?

Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:22:00 - [61] Originally by: Helox Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: MrDisposable Its monday 8:09 a.m. in iceland as of your posting. Is there anything you are ever right about? Well its still sunday were im at And everyone in iceland is just now trudging into the office to start the daily grind and try to put together a finalized responce.. think you would have it all ready at opening time on the first day after the weekend? Sheese impatient people.. Let's face it, something of this magnitude (almost 100 pages in one thread after 3 days?) might be a reason to work on the weekend... I'm sure they have been.. but sheese at least let them get a few cups of coffee and a last minute meeting in.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:33:00 - [62] Originally by: Dravin Dread Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus <whatever> Do not feed the troll. You know what I find amusing Dravin? For the last two days I've been online and going to each races npc corp channle getting in game responces from the in game populace that outnumbers the in forum population by about a factor of 10.. Guess what the majority of the responces were to any attempt to bring up this topic? "blocked" Anyone who actually responded said things of the nature that it was just the "conspiracy of the week" and "you actually go to the forums?!" Its also interesting to note that alot of people in that channle claimed to be alts of bob or lv or ascn or whatever alliance they mentioned.. All of them were of the opinion that it was a non issue or not worth thier time to bother with.. All of them.. thats just bloody amazing.. in forum we have yet another fiasco and ingame noone give a rats ass and wants to be left alone to chat and play eve.. Not trying to draw any conclusions but it is an intresting observation.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:41:00 - [63] Originally by: Mortania Dred, I ask, doesn't it bother you that the info that K released was pretty accurate and that his site has other allegations? He got the dev, the corp, the bpos, and the dates all right, but the rest of it is speculation? Doesn't that seem a stretch? Furthermore, we have proof from the devs mouths that they are willing to keep things quiet when it comes to devs cheating. It follows that IF there were other cheating devs we would not know about it from CCP either, right? Again, until some whistleblower splatters undeniable facts to web, I can only assume that if some other wrong doing happens from devs at CCP, that we would be none-the-wiser. Doesn't that eat at you, just a little? Yeah it actually does eat at me.. I just guess the difference is that I still have faith in the integrity of CCP and that this issue will be resolved to the satisfaction of the intelligent and thoughtful members of the community.. Granted that no matter what new info is released certain factions in these forums will still cry foul and denounce whatever info is released as smoke and mirrors.. And as far a K is concerned hes a professonal hacker who has a tendency to get at info like that.. thing is you only have his word that the extra stuff he listed was really in the db and happened.. He might just be cunning enought to do a frame up.. give out the accurate info to get ccp to fess up and then plant additional info to make ccp look like they are covering it up and get his revenge.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:46:00 - [64] Originally by: Mortania Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Dravin Dread Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus <whatever> Do not feed the troll. You know what I find amusing Dravin? For the last two days I've been online and going to each races npc corp channle getting in game responces from the in game populace that outnumbers the in forum population by about a factor of 10.. Guess what the majority of the responces were to any attempt to bring up this topic? "blocked" Anyone who actually responded said things of the nature that it was just the "conspiracy of the week" and "you actually go to the forums?!" Its also interesting to note that alot of people in that channle claimed to be alts of bob or lv or ascn or whatever alliance they mentioned.. All of them were of the opinion that it was a non issue or not worth thier time to bother with.. All of them.. thats just bloody amazing.. in forum we have yet another fiasco and ingame noone give a rats ass and wants to be left alone to chat and play eve.. Not trying to draw any conclusions but it is an intresting observation.. So, lemme see if I have this straight, people who don't go to the forums, don't have any knowledge, and are self-admittedly ignorant, say it's no big deal? Lemme chalk that up as valuable information. I said some people made the remark.. "you go to the forums?! the others all had read up on the topic and were unimpressed to say the least so I'd say the majority of comments were informed.. They just didnt care.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 08:57:00 - [65] Originally by: MrDisposable Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus And as far a K is concerned hes a professonal hacker who has a tendency to get at info like that.. thing is you only have his word that the extra stuff he listed was really in the db and happened.. He might just be cunning enought to do a frame up.. give out the accurate info to get ccp to fess up and then plant additional info to make ccp look like they are covering it up and get his revenge.. That whole revenge angle might work cept for the fact he posted this information long before he had reason to take revenge on CCP. Motives aren't backwards compatible. Speaking of hacking... how did Sir Molle get K's personal information anyway? Maybe they are the same person maybe it arrived in his eve-mail.. I dunno youll have to ask him.. And are you 100% sure he had no reasons and this wasnt some elaborate setup long planned by K? Its about as valid a conspiracy thoery as all the rest.. Personally I think things are alot deeper than we will ever know.. But.. At the end of the day EvE will still be EvE as the majority of the playerbase is in the game and not here.. And I'll say this to the paranoid.. If you think there is a grand BoB/Dev conspiracy vs the rest of eve do you really think its going to be active anymore now that we have this issue in the forums and on the mass media? To those who know how these things work you should sleep better now at night.. For the rest we still have this thread! Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:05:00 - [66] Originally by: Mortania Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus At the end of the day EvE will still be EvE as the majority of the playerbase is in the game and not here.. two monitor setups FTW! LOL.. me too.. granted im doing some trade runs atm and not culling the chat for opinons.. Already got my answers on that one.. Guess I do kinda wish more people would at least come here and post one way or another and not the same 8 of us this last 4 pages.. Me and MrDisposible dont dance well together and we keep stepping on each others toes.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:13:00 - [67] Originally by: MrDisposable TBH this whole thing has made me happier for not the greatest of reasons. 1)BoB is finally STFU in the forums and aside from this thread they have been a pleasure to read. I mean just check out CAOD. IF someone could make LV STFU I think you could mistake it for an adult audience. 2)Would-be hackers all over will be clamoring to get the type of fame K has achieved so cheaters better watch their backs, phpBB may be weak against hacking but no system is truly secure. 3)Where as before I may not have had a chance, even though I may not have known it, now I think the odds are more in my favor. 4) BoB STFU'd You know I have noticed an improved selection of topics and general fluffyness of character in the GD since all the Forum PvP is in this thread now.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:22:00 - [68] Originally by: Pann The CEO of CCP is named Ivar. You kids gossip more than a bunch of old ladies in a sewing circle. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 09:43:00 - [69] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: MrDisposable Ok so how many times can a person post personal Real life information on the forums before being banned? Since apparently doing it once and putting a persons real life career and family life in jeopardy is you know.... the same as me calling you an idiot... hypothetically speaking of course. Once. CCP's Suspension and Ban Policy states: Quote: An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player: * a. Has had four previous warnings for breaking any rules set forth in the EULA, Terms of Service or other rules or guidelines. * b. Divulges private and/or personal information about another subscriber or an official EVE Online representative through the EVE Online client or web site. Originally by: Suspension and Ban Policy An immediate permanent ban of an account *may* result if a player: That one word says it all.. Even the most inept lawyer in the world could drive a US carrier battlegroup through that one in CCP's defence.. And I'm fairly sure hes not inept.. Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Imperial Warehousing Industries	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:28:00 - [70] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 12/02/2007 11:26:22 Originally by: MrDisposable Since you missed the post where I tried to explain it for the dense I will repeat. Giving out real life information about someone could possibly result in someones death. This is the reason why its an insta-ban. There are why too many whack-jobs on the internet to have that type of information given out. Especially on a website full of them. Wasn't there a murder over some MMO property before? Well actually yes I did miss that post and your right to a certain point.. There is the posibility that some nut case could track one of them down but the odds of that are statistically nil.. Afaik there was some criminal statistics site the listed being struck by lightning in your house as more likely that being killed by a stalker.. So somewhere someone in CCP made a descision that the risk was worth the non-ban.. So this leaves motive.. CCP being already very profitable at year two would not willingly put the cash cow eve is to them in jepordy by having an inhouse organized stealth dev led alliance ..aka BoB.. discovered and proven in the mass media.. It just doesnt add up.. So what could all this be then? We have already gone round and round on the 'devs are teh cheaters and bob haxs' issue and noone can get any leverage one way or another with only conjecture and limited info to go on.. So one might ask how much more did K have on CCP that might or might not be game related and might be totaly innocent on CCPs part but with the right spin could be made very damaging if released.. He did try to blackmail them first instead of going right to the forums and mass media.. So any lawsiut on his part is going to be dubious at best.. As far as Sir Molle was concerend he might have did a major nono by posting K's info most likely in the heat of the moment but dammit its not like the guy is actively anti-eve.. Like K is.. So with the may provisio in the EULA I can see CCP using that to choose not to ban him and still be on stable legal grounds.. But as always this is all just speculation like the rest of the posts in here.. Next Theory! Dred'Pirate Jesus.. Not a Dev or BoB alt ..or am I?

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